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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Space

Whats everyone thoughts on Space?

Personally I thought it a waste of time. We could have been listening to a song or two instead of the endless howling, noodling and noise making. But I know some people dug Space.

Whats your take on this?

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Poster: He Live's Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

"drums>space" was introduced as an official second set segment in 1978, but did not become a STAPLE of just about every show until 1980. ineteresting, because if you check deadbase they cite "space" segments back to 72! but when you look at those earlier instances of space on deadbase, it is always part of a song, an instrumental passage seemingly unconnected, i guess, to the proper songs that bookend it, but i think to most of us -- those are just good old fashion JAMS, not "space."

no no -- that is not what you are talking about though -- drums>space is a pre-meditated/planned excursion into the unknown and the grateful dead were the only major touring act that have ever done something so, avante garde if you will, on a regular basis -- one of the many things that made them so damn cool! how many other bands have the cajones to go -- "OK, fans, we're going to take about twenty minutes to noodle around, twiddle some knobs, flick some switches and see if we end up anywhere good....if not, we'll send you home with a not fade away....."

so, much of the time it was an oppurtunity for a bathroom break, but SOMETIMES it lead somewhere magical....and that's why i usually hung in there during space....

i'm sure the uber-nerds on here can offer up some choice space jams....like maybe, 8-30-78, space>if i had the world to give; 5/16/78 space>comes a time; 12/13/78 space>shakedown....

there's hours of research to be done :>

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Poster: BryanE Date: Aug 1, 2007 6:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

"the grateful dead were the only major touring act that have ever done something so avant garde . . . "

And I loved that about the sequence.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 6:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

I respectfully disagree but with great prejudice...LOL

Pink Floyd circa 1969-1972 (after Syd and before Darkside of the Moon) beats anything avant garde the Dead ever did. Okay of course IMHO and most certainly not discounting you..

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 2, 2007 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

I actually think it's a cleverly planned set break for the boys in order to not lose the energy built up from the songs before.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

drums/space/space/drums was what sold me on the dead... prior to 7/4/89 i had no idea that musicians/tricksters listened so closely to one another. A is for atonality!

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

Excellent answer never thought of it like that but you are 100% correct. It is a fine example of musicians having to listen to each other. Something to ponder more.

Now just to qualify a bit I was referring to Space only and not Drums in my statement. I always dug Drums or Rhythm Devils.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

honestly, I could tolerate space in the mid-late 80's. Every once in awhile I could hear some really intersting things, not to mention these versions fell into the 5-10 minute range. Once the midi came into play it was more noises and less creativity. Plus, toward the end when they has short lame sets they would extend space up to 20 minutes on some nights. Just too much.

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

Yeah Lobs this is where I stand about Space (almost exactly) and youre an 80's guy, so your'e opinion carries lots of weight with me. (nothing wrong with that either).

I think I have written before how much I disliked the whole midi thing/experiment.....if not it's one of the reasons why I left the Dead scene. There were other reasons but when that came into play it amplified (to me) my reasons for finding another trip.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

my enjoyment of space had a lot to do if i wuz trippin on acid....but usually it meant a beer and/or bathroom break

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

One question!...does the GOP know you took drugs and still vote Republican??


In case you haven't figured it out by now I AM KIDDING you. PLEASE no more warfare on here between posters.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 2, 2007 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

well, I never voted for any of the Bush's...I think both parties are corrupt, I'll vote for a 10/26/89 or 10/31/91 Space anytime

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

Ya know, Bird song it had it's place. Also I appreciated a tune like Let it grow more when Midi came in. But sometimes it was overkill on candyman, Ramble on Rose, the jams in sugar mags and around and around, ect. I like the raw sounding space from the 80's plus I thought the segue into the next tune always seems more seamless, if that makes sense

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

I think I have it boiled down. I like natural sounds if that makes sense because in reality all electric guitars are not natural? But you mentioned Sugar Mags and to me thats a song Jerry should be whaling away with a wah-wah or cry baby not a midi.

My first LP was Jimi Hendrix Experience given to me by my straight-laced sister (who hated it). When I heard that cry baby sound at the ridiculous age of 10, I feel in love at the time I was on a Beatles trip and this opened my head up. Then my older brother turned me on to Jerry and BAM it was love!!! I think thats why I love the 70's so much and have a hard time with the 80's sound. Was it good...of course but Jerry had a gift with the wah-wah and he stopped using it....BUMMER

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

i liked the midi stuff - was a blast a cool tool for jer

just my opinion though

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

wolfy, my boys in beantown are jazzed about gagne. I saw him when he was in LA and he was a beast. I just hope he stays off the DL. If he does he'll be Papelbon's best buddy.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

im fuckin jazzed too man - i was jumpin in my chair all day yesterday when i heard he waived his no trade.

he has been ripprin the AL this year - i think he will be healthy - and Tito is great about not overusing his pitchers - i am fuckin stoked with our pen right now - Okie - Gagne - Pap...... there aint a better pen in the majors right now - all our starters have to do is keep a lead into the 6th

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Poster: Ssag Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

ewwwww My Boston Brother I respectfully disagree. Tito killed Paps last year and did the same with Schill this year.

I don't know man I think he has a little of the Grady in him. I think he keeps him in too long. With Okajima pitching as well as he has I was totally surprised by the Gagne pick up. But I think it's because Theo knows Tito burns pitchers out.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 1, 2007 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

hmmmmm - we do disagree on this one

that is cool :) - always good to disagree in sports talk

guess we are both glad we got gagne to take the pressure off the pen arms


(guess maybe im thinking about Torre burning out his pen as opposed to Tito who is nowhere close - Tito is far more careful)

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

Lobster, your comment was right on and is just how I felt about it. The midi was OK in it's place but I didn't dig it in Space. (Hmmmm nice rhyme?) Early-mid 80's space was full of creativity and exploritive (is that a word?) jams.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

It was usually a bathroom break for me. While I'm pretty sure I missed at least a few very good musical experiences, I just couldn't take the risk of going through an entire Morning Dew having to take a p....

A few times a tour, however, the state of mind was just perfect for very nice D/S.


any favorite/special versions out there?? I never even thought to ask the question.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 1, 2007 5:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

for novelty purposes check out 4/28/91. It's a vegas show so they make slot machine noises.

I really like the space from 9/18/87. I have often said that the post space portion of this gig could be the best straight 45 mins the band has ever played. I never really included the space though. it's a good one and LOVE the transition into GDRFB

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Poster: BahHumbug Date: Aug 1, 2007 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

9/18/87 is a jaw-dropping post-drums segment. The Morning Dew is just awesome.

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Poster: Show Companion Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

I like space. '85 spaces are my favorite.

Also, the album infrared roses is very good. It's mostly

spaces, a couple of drum segments and a cool crowd scene.

However, I do not recommend drinking a whole bottle of

cough syrup and listening to the "Silver Apples of the

Moon" track. I had a bad experience doing that.

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Poster: go2000deep Date: Aug 1, 2007 9:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

From my personal experience, Portland 3-31-85 was an outstanding drumz/space jam. Jerry was on stage throughout except for 2-3 minutes for a "smoke" i suppose. The whole session has an Eastern "snake charmer" feel to it. This was an all around favorite show for me. I think there was about 500mics running through my synapes by the time they got to Day Tripper!

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 2, 2007 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

I agree I like 85 spaces a lot. Just listening to 10-29-85 at the Fox last night and really dug both drums and space and also Hershey Park from 85 has one of my favorite spaces also. 5-31-92 in Vegas also has a way powerful space in it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 1, 2007 4:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Space

I thought drums/space was often the most interesting part of a show (and other times it meant a rest). However, whether good or bad, I did always kind of look at it as the nightly dark star moment.